This topic contains 58 replies, has 11 voices, and was last updated by Wanda Buchalter 3 years, 7 months ago.
June 26, 2015 at 6:41 pm #627
it can be tough, Wanda! this helps me: after I transcribe, I practice it up to speed and play it with the original recording of Freddie, and even make a recording of this. then, I when I listen to the recording of me playing with the original recording I can hear the places I got it wrong and make corrections.June 29, 2015 at 6:12 pm #643
wow so you’re just listening to it “raw” full speed and transcribing? I typically use Transcribe software to loop and slow the music, but then I still don’t do enough transcribing!June 30, 2015 at 1:32 am #644
I am still at it. I hope I am not holding anybody up. I have the first few bars done. Have no clue what is going on in the left hand other than to use music theory to guess the cords. I have zero experience transcribing. I envy MaryBeth for making it sound fun! I have a hard time hearing what is going on in the music. How did you acquire this skill?July 5, 2015 at 12:24 am #660
Great job everbody! I’ve been inspired. This challenge is probably a little advanced for me but I’m giving it a go. I’ll post a video once I figure it out and hopefully nail it.
Scott – Santa Barbara, CAJuly 7, 2015 at 2:28 pm #671
I used to use Amazing Slow Downer but heard that Paul suggest not slowing down. It’s a LOT harder!! anyway, nowadays I try really hard to get it, and when I finally write it down, play it with the original to check it. THEN, if I’m still stuck sometimes I treat myself to ASD.July 9, 2015 at 10:02 pm #691
I had a try as well, my first time transcribing. I did slow it down, using Transcribe, and played along with the record a lot.
Any suggestions?July 14, 2015 at 3:49 pm #714
Hi Aron –
This sounds GREAT! Excellent work. I think you have a very nice swing feel in your playing, too. Also, your video is excellent – very clear picture, great angle to let me see your hands, and good quality audio. Everyone should check out Aron’s video, both to offer him some feedback and get a sense of what I consider a “good helpful” video to look like.
A couple things I noticed:
(1) At the 0:13 mark I think you’re playing a “C natural” where there should be a “C#” (I’m trying to remember from the recording, but if memory serves I think Wynton is playing a C#;
(2) Nice job using some of those left hand chords – just be careful with your hand position. Sometimes I think your wrist is a little too low and your hands can be a bit more cupped or curved (mostly your left hand).
This is excellent work. I’m very impressed by all of you and also very proud to see so many of you jump into something challenging like this.July 14, 2015 at 3:51 pm #715
We are a very supportive bunch, Scott – and would love to see you get involved. Everyone can learn something here. We’re not doing this to be competitive, so never worry about that. I think I can speak for all when I say this thread is about being fans of jazz, fans of learning, and liking a little extra challenge in our practice!July 14, 2015 at 4:06 pm #716
I love this discussion so I want to give my 2 cents. Mary Beth is correct in that I do suggest trying to transcribe without the aid of any “slow down” software or any outside influence. It’s not because I think this should be as difficult as possible, but rather b/c of the reason that transcribing is an important skill for jazz musicians in the first place.
When you first start transcribing, you’re probably not very good (naturally). It takes a long time to transcribe a short passage, you make lots of mistakes, and you struggle to hear specifically what is being played. At least, that was my initial experience. So why do it? The answer is because it is excellent EAR-TRAINING. You start to learn what it is like to really listen deeply, intent on absorbing the exact specific notes and articulations of the music being played. That kind of hyper-focus really improves your ears – quickly. With enough transcription (and playing/practice) you’ll start to notice that you’re able to hear something and quickly “find it” on your own instrument. Your ear and brain are starting to recognize relationships between intervals, chords, harmonic progressions, etc., and with this recognition comes the ability to more quickly identify. The importance of this skill amongst jazz players should be immediately apparent.
So why do I say NOT to use “slow down” software? Firstly, I don’t say that as an absolute. I have used slow-down software (recently actually). There are times when it’s great. But for beginning a study of transcription I don’t recommend it. When using the software, your ears often focus on one note a time, allowing you to identify individual pitches with ease, mapping them out, and then looking at a full transcription. But doing it this way skips the important work that builds the skill itself for use in real-world music situations. By listening to a phrase of music at full speed and pausing the music after 2 or 4 measures, your ears are trying to identify (and recall) an entire PHRASE of music. You’re hearing the whole phrase, with the notes having relationships to one another, the direction of the line, the chromaticism (if any). You are training your ears to recognize phrases of music, as opposed to individual pitches. Personally, I have found that more valuable. But I think Mary Beth is spot on! Once finished, I think it is an excellent idea to check your work using some “slow down” software.
Just my thoughts. Wanted to share. Really love the vibe and conversations on this thread!July 16, 2015 at 4:12 pm #726
Thanks for the nice comments Paul.
The C# indeed sounds better.
I’ll try to work on my technique, so my wrist needs to be higher, the back of my hand more flat and my fingers more curved, right?
I’ve just spent a lot of time on keeping my fingers on the keys instead of above, and preventing the top part of my fingers to bend inwards, so I guess this is something new to focus on.July 25, 2015 at 10:09 am #748
final result of the solo:
August 1, 2015 at 1:47 am #765
Thierry – that was fabulous! Your sound is awesome! Great job!!
I have the first 12 bars done, just need to record them.
Best regards, WandaAugust 1, 2015 at 2:09 am #766
Thierry: That was amazing! I do not think that I can get my sausages moving that fast!
MarkAugust 2, 2015 at 7:29 pm #768
Finally..Freddie! It was my goal to post this before Labor Day! Sorry it took me so long. This was the first time I ever transcribed music and certain sections took me a long time to figure out the notes. I had to cheat and use slow downer. I realized I really need more work on this!
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